By Carl S ~
A bit of background: First of all, the experiences I report take place for the most part in my own state. My wife and I are retired, but we gave up far traveling some time ago. (However, as the license plates every summer here will attest, the other states come to us.) Secondly, I'm not a confrontational person, but I haven't shied away from protesting injustices done to my fellow humans. Thirdly, I admire Rosa Parks.
It all began years ago, with the purchase of an "out of the closet atheist" cap from FFRF. I wore it occasionally, but only when my wife (she's a Christian) was not with me. I got into the habit of wearing it on Sunday morning meet-ups with another atheist friend while my wife attended church. My friend didn't feel comfortable with my "advertising." Neither did I. Then, one summer day, while my wife was in the hospital recovering, she suggested I go to some of the local yard sales. I strode into one of them, and the man behind the table looked up at me and said, "Good for you!" We had a few words together, and I went on my way, wearing it to yet more yard sales. No more comments, but counter to expectations, no negative ones either. Interesting.
Eventually, I became comfortable with being openly atheist, so I popped it on whenever I was out alone, no harm done, all the while non-confrontational and upbeat. (Once, at a church sale, a woman asked me, "Do you wear that to every church sale?" I responded, "I wear it everywhere.") My policy became, "Don't speak unless you're spoken to." This has proven very workable.
One Sunday, instead of driving my wife to church and picking her up afterwards, the situation was reversed. She came to the café looking for me, and caught me wearing "the cap." Okay, deep breath. She already knew I was an atheist; that she accepted years ago. No words were said about it, but if I remember correctly, I thought, "Ah well, it's too late now," and we walked off together, me with cap on. We continued going out like that. Since then, I've kept it in the car, so wherever we go I put it on automatically when exiting. We've had some interesting encounters.
Through the years, there was only one negative reaction. We were visiting our relatives in another state, about 4 or 5 years ago. While I was standing in a pharmacy checkout line, a young man pointed at me and told his son I was evil. I didn't say a word, but wondered what this boy thought of avoiding an ordinary, bland, and smiling guy like me. He wouldn't be able to say he "never met an atheist." I'm hope his father's "lesson" backfired.
After some years, the cap was a well-worn veteran, and FFRF didn't sell it any more. (They do now.) A local shop offered tee shirt /jacket embroidery services, including caps. It took some thought to decide on "U. S. Atheist." If anyone asked why U.S.?, I could always say it's because I'm a veteran. I detest the attitude that only Christian soldiers are patriots. How many making that claim actually served their country anyhow? Oh yes, the letters: white on blue. I pinned on a caricature button of Bugs Bunny much later; it lightens things up.
Last week, when we were leaving the local McDonald's, a woman walked over to say, "I like your hat." That reaction has been going on for years now. I always say, "Thank you." Some months before this, same place, the girl student behind the counter, ditto. A middle aged man at the supermarket made a beeline over to say he too is an atheist, right in front of his young son (one up), and shook my hand. Another time, the man behind the deli counter, same market, handed me my sliced meat, saying, "By the way, I like your cap." (My friend says my wife must be getting used to hearing those words, since they're so often uttered in her presence.) And then there were the two senior ladies volunteering behind the counter at the library. When I walked in, one called out, "Come and look at this!" It's nice to help make someone's day. At the café, people come up to tell me they're glad to see those words; judging by their demeanor, they're intellectuals who are passing through, who I don't expect to see again. I'd told my friend about these encounters before, and then he finally saw for himself. This morning we stood in line at the cafe', and an ear-to-ear smiling middle aged woman with her husband told me, "I like that." (Later on, in an aside, she mentioned her father was a freethinker who liked to debate.)
The majority of times though, the comments come not from intellectuals, but, to my surprise, blue collar and service workers, Lincoln's "common man," and women, of all ages. This may seem odd because atheists normally appeal to Reason rather than to emotions, to the intellect rather than the nitty-gritty of the practical, everyday life, and to cold and not warm science, to make their points. But, thinking back on the rational and questioning influences in my own life which led me to atheism, I notice that most of them originated with my fellow blue collar, practical thinking co-workers, long before I discovered Bertrand Russell, Dawkins, et al.
What college educated person would have suspected a machinist could be knowledgeable about Zoroastrianism? A co-worker introduced me to "The True Believer," by Eric Hoffer, a philosopher and dock worker himself. And who would have known a man with dirty hands would propose the question to a Jehovah’s Witness who said "everything has a purpose," with: "So what's the purpose of a seventeen-year locust?" (They're the Mark Twains and Tom Paines of our day.)
Who would have known a man with dirty hands would propose the question to a Jehovah’s Witness who said "everything has a purpose," with: "So what's the purpose of a seventeen-year locust?" (They're the Mark Twains and Tom Paines of our day.)I've come to think "the cap" speaks for them, if they don't feel free to, or can't. So, even though it becomes a pain sometimes, I think about their feelings. This is encouragement. I think also of those others, the many who suffer and die defending what I so (flagrantly) aver. They are paying with their loss of safety, paying with their imprisonment and even their lives - and why? For merely pointing out the emperor has no clothes. They are, tragically, ignored by our worldwide media. In a way, I speak for them too. It's too bad if anyone is annoyed by this. As I explained to a good Christian friend who said his church members were "uncomfortable" with my cap, " I'm just being myself, and everyone has a right to be himself, as long as no one is harmed." There are way more important things in life than comfort.
There are problems with every encounter: I'm hearing impaired, and despite all the propaganda of hearing instrument manufacturers, they don't work well in crowded settings. It's too easy to misunderstand and thereby give a "wrong" response to questions one misunderstands. Plus, the words of encouragement usually come when I’m needed for other tasks. No time for discussions. These are also the reasons I prefer to write. Encountering so many people who understand and say so has been special. My ultimate hope is to someday live in a world where a cap like mine is not commented on at all, but universally accepted. I want a world desired by every freedom-loving human being, where someone is neither praised nor damned for wearing a cap that says "atheist," a world where freedom of speech is the first freedom honored in every country. Until then, the cap stays.
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Sunday, September 18, 2016
Why Anyone Would Want to Believe
By Carl S ~
There's an old saying, "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." Fear, in the real world, is a reactive proven means of survival. In that case, it's wise to listen to fears. Fear can be warning to prepare oneself for fight or flight; it can teach the lesson that some fears can be unfounded, but it's best not to take chances when survival is important. But fear of a god? First, you have to know someone who can confirm personally that the god exists. That person, and preferably others as well, will agree about why you should fear the god. These people, who claim to have access to the god can't even explain why they fear some situations. They can't remember the sources of their recent fears; they don't recall whether these were reported on Fox News, CNN, or stemmed from something they saw on the net. Nevertheless, they are absolutely certain they are right when they choose Israelite scriptures, to the exclusion of all other cultural scriptures of the gods of their day, in teaching you to fear their god whose personality and will was described thousands of years ago in their ancient writings. Those writers knew the Earth is flat, and they didn't know where the Sun goes at night, but the God they invented really exists today! That's bizarre.
Once those claiming access to the inner chambers of the god's nature, and the god's wishes and commands, established the gullibility of the masses to believe them, they came up with another trick: Why not add another fear to fearing the "Absolute good" god - fearing an "Absolute evil" god? Since people feared death already, and are inclined to believe they'll live on after death, why not have both gods waiting for them after they die, one to drag them to hell, the other to send them to hell? By accepting that belief, whether they fear either god, they're still Living In Fear. And that fear means manipulation. Bizarre.
For thousands of years, humans feared gods. They had "evidence" to "prove" gods must be feared: natural disasters. Funny how things changed. Both those who feared and didn't fear the gods met with the same outcomes. Not only the rain, but the volcanic lava, fell upon the fearers and non-fearers alike. Teaching kids that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom turns out to be a bad decision. Kids wise up. They stop fearing the unseeable and unknowable. Understandable.
When you were a child, someone would come up behind you and yell, "Boo!" They'd do it to scare you, either out of fun or nastiness. One thing is certain, it was personal, otherwise they wouldn't bother. They loved or disliked you. You learned how to handle that. There's the same psychological mechanism at work in the doctrine of fearing a god: you must mean something, as an individual, to that god, otherwise he wouldn't bother scaring you. Do you need that fear? Isn't that like asking if a battered wife needs to be abused to confirm her importance? Isn't that the lesson from the Book of Job?
Teaching kids that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom turns out to be a bad decision. Kids wise up. They stop fearing the unseeable and unknowable.Maybe you fear loneliness, and so you join a group of worshippers. This would explain why many people join cults, including the cult called Christianity. Here you are accepted as personally important, you count. But you are only important insofar as you are useful. If you become a dissenting individual with your own thoughts, the rejection you risk will confirm your fears. Don't many individuals remain in relationships which crucify their personalities while remaining committed to follow through on decisions to stick with faith in faith, and/or sexual partners, out of fear of being lonely? Just as an individual can be made to feel "special" by participating in "insider access" to a god through his agents, and be made to fear that god, even if that god doesn't exist, so can entire congregations be frightened by a shared belief. In a bizarre way, doesn't that make them "special," and the one who can frighten them, a "somebody?"
To an outsider looking in, religion is like drinking something that demands ever more gulping but never slakes thirst. Why would anyone want to believe bizarre things: dead men walking, talking, appearing and disappearing from out of nowhere, floating up into the stratosphere from standing on earth? What about a many-armed goddess, an elephant-headed god, and an "all-merciful" god who creates and sends humans to an eternal torture chamber?
The best answer I can arrive at is this: Humans believe bizarre things just because they are bizarre.
"All religions are founded on the fear of the many and the cleverness of the few." - Stendahl.
There's an old saying, "the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom." Fear, in the real world, is a reactive proven means of survival. In that case, it's wise to listen to fears. Fear can be warning to prepare oneself for fight or flight; it can teach the lesson that some fears can be unfounded, but it's best not to take chances when survival is important. But fear of a god? First, you have to know someone who can confirm personally that the god exists. That person, and preferably others as well, will agree about why you should fear the god. These people, who claim to have access to the god can't even explain why they fear some situations. They can't remember the sources of their recent fears; they don't recall whether these were reported on Fox News, CNN, or stemmed from something they saw on the net. Nevertheless, they are absolutely certain they are right when they choose Israelite scriptures, to the exclusion of all other cultural scriptures of the gods of their day, in teaching you to fear their god whose personality and will was described thousands of years ago in their ancient writings. Those writers knew the Earth is flat, and they didn't know where the Sun goes at night, but the God they invented really exists today! That's bizarre.
Once those claiming access to the inner chambers of the god's nature, and the god's wishes and commands, established the gullibility of the masses to believe them, they came up with another trick: Why not add another fear to fearing the "Absolute good" god - fearing an "Absolute evil" god? Since people feared death already, and are inclined to believe they'll live on after death, why not have both gods waiting for them after they die, one to drag them to hell, the other to send them to hell? By accepting that belief, whether they fear either god, they're still Living In Fear. And that fear means manipulation. Bizarre.
For thousands of years, humans feared gods. They had "evidence" to "prove" gods must be feared: natural disasters. Funny how things changed. Both those who feared and didn't fear the gods met with the same outcomes. Not only the rain, but the volcanic lava, fell upon the fearers and non-fearers alike. Teaching kids that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom turns out to be a bad decision. Kids wise up. They stop fearing the unseeable and unknowable. Understandable.
When you were a child, someone would come up behind you and yell, "Boo!" They'd do it to scare you, either out of fun or nastiness. One thing is certain, it was personal, otherwise they wouldn't bother. They loved or disliked you. You learned how to handle that. There's the same psychological mechanism at work in the doctrine of fearing a god: you must mean something, as an individual, to that god, otherwise he wouldn't bother scaring you. Do you need that fear? Isn't that like asking if a battered wife needs to be abused to confirm her importance? Isn't that the lesson from the Book of Job?
Teaching kids that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom turns out to be a bad decision. Kids wise up. They stop fearing the unseeable and unknowable.Maybe you fear loneliness, and so you join a group of worshippers. This would explain why many people join cults, including the cult called Christianity. Here you are accepted as personally important, you count. But you are only important insofar as you are useful. If you become a dissenting individual with your own thoughts, the rejection you risk will confirm your fears. Don't many individuals remain in relationships which crucify their personalities while remaining committed to follow through on decisions to stick with faith in faith, and/or sexual partners, out of fear of being lonely? Just as an individual can be made to feel "special" by participating in "insider access" to a god through his agents, and be made to fear that god, even if that god doesn't exist, so can entire congregations be frightened by a shared belief. In a bizarre way, doesn't that make them "special," and the one who can frighten them, a "somebody?"
To an outsider looking in, religion is like drinking something that demands ever more gulping but never slakes thirst. Why would anyone want to believe bizarre things: dead men walking, talking, appearing and disappearing from out of nowhere, floating up into the stratosphere from standing on earth? What about a many-armed goddess, an elephant-headed god, and an "all-merciful" god who creates and sends humans to an eternal torture chamber?
The best answer I can arrive at is this: Humans believe bizarre things just because they are bizarre.
Bye bye Bing Bong
By Spludge ~
So I was bawling a couple minutes ago.
I've come across posts from angry ex Christians who say you might as well be praying to a pink elephant instead of God. Bing Bong from Disney Pixar's Inside Out is the pink elephant.
Bing Bong and I had an amazing relationship for about nine years. I called him by three names, Holy Spirit, God or Jesus. At the beginning Bing Bong made perfect sense, he came through and manifested in certain ways during parts of my life which made his perpetually invisible existence so believably tangible. We were close as thieves. Having so many other people believe in him helped too.
Then I started full time work, had problems, grew up, moved out, grew up again, had more problems, went through some more hardship and existential angst, then grew up again. With every blow Bing Bong's tangibility weakened just a little bit more. I tried to revive him and hold on of course, but then something started to change. Bing Bong began acting like a bit of a jerk; ignoring me when I asked for answers, giving me completely false information, and not manifesting in anyway consistent with how good, honest reliable and faithful people said he was. Basically relying on Bing Bong stressed me out, screwed me over or did nothing at best. At many points I was sure he didn't want to take me to the moon, but dump me in the pit of doom and leave me to 'earn' my way out by grovelling more (or bossing him more as certain prayer styles encourage) to him. He didn't make sense.
I don't know how it snapped so quick, but two days ago Bing Bong was the crux of my belief system. Today he is not compatible in any way with my experience of reality or understanding of life. Our time together was amazing, exhilarating...definitely more good times than bad. It's devastating to see him fade. As incompatible and irrelevant he is to me now, I'm really going to miss believing in him.
So I was bawling a couple minutes ago.
I've come across posts from angry ex Christians who say you might as well be praying to a pink elephant instead of God. Bing Bong from Disney Pixar's Inside Out is the pink elephant.
Bing Bong and I had an amazing relationship for about nine years. I called him by three names, Holy Spirit, God or Jesus. At the beginning Bing Bong made perfect sense, he came through and manifested in certain ways during parts of my life which made his perpetually invisible existence so believably tangible. We were close as thieves. Having so many other people believe in him helped too.
Then I started full time work, had problems, grew up, moved out, grew up again, had more problems, went through some more hardship and existential angst, then grew up again. With every blow Bing Bong's tangibility weakened just a little bit more. I tried to revive him and hold on of course, but then something started to change. Bing Bong began acting like a bit of a jerk; ignoring me when I asked for answers, giving me completely false information, and not manifesting in anyway consistent with how good, honest reliable and faithful people said he was. Basically relying on Bing Bong stressed me out, screwed me over or did nothing at best. At many points I was sure he didn't want to take me to the moon, but dump me in the pit of doom and leave me to 'earn' my way out by grovelling more (or bossing him more as certain prayer styles encourage) to him. He didn't make sense.
I don't know how it snapped so quick, but two days ago Bing Bong was the crux of my belief system. Today he is not compatible in any way with my experience of reality or understanding of life. Our time together was amazing, exhilarating...definitely more good times than bad. It's devastating to see him fade. As incompatible and irrelevant he is to me now, I'm really going to miss believing in him.
Sunday, September 11, 2016
Gaining the A
By Tangible Word ~
In the cacophony of voices already ringing out, I suppose it would do no harm to add my own.
While I’m tempted to write a polemic against Christianity, this isn’t the place, nor the time for such antics. Though to be sure, that might end up happening anyways. Instead, this is my story of leaving the Christian faith and some of my reasons for doing so. Not that I’ll be completely able to keep my lips shut on some of the absurdities of Christianity.
Grab something to drink, something to eat, and if you’re in for the long haul, then I strongly suggest at least getting comfortable. For while this story may be brief, I cannot say the same for its re-telling.
The year is 2013. I’m on the cusp of graduating from grade school. Though I should say that this isn’t any normal Canadian grade school. No, this is a private Christian school, which contains all the grades from Kindergarten to grade 12. I’ll stay away from any naming and shaming, and instead call this school WCS (Wacky Christian School). WCS, like many Christian schools, is supported by an adjoining church. This church was of the Protestant variety, and of the many Protestant versions to choose from, it dug its root all the way down to Azusa Street. If asked, they would either call themselves Pentecostals or Charismatics. For simplicity’s sake, I’ll refer to them as Pentecostal.
Despite graduating from a Pentecostal Christian school, I was raised Baptist, which would eventually morph into non-denominationalism, which is still a denomination ironically enough. Not only was I raised in a very different denomination from Pentecostalism, but my father was a pastor of a Baptist church. Although, in later years, he bounced to a few house church movements, before establishing himself as an evangelical, non-denominational Christian. He would say, a Bible-believing Christian, but then most Christians would call themselves that. I bring up denominations because my journey out of the faith began when my Baptist views clashed with the Pentecostal views around me. This doctrinal conflict would later mirror the coming conflict between Christianity and Atheism that came to life within me.
It was in grade 9 that I switched schools and found myself in WCS. In my first year at the school our entire class went to stay at the National House of Prayer in Ottawa. We stayed there for a week, visiting with politicians sympathetic to Christianity and working at missions in the downtown area. The NHOP (unlike the American National House of Pancakes) was a mansion-like building, which I found myself wandering the halls of on our penultimate night of the trip. I came upon a balcony, where most of my classmates had gathered under the cool night sky. Instead of sitting around and talking, my classmates were clustered in small circles, while some of them were screaming and laughing. I couldn’t make heads or tails of what I was seeing, so as not to interrupt, I stuck to the side of the balcony and leaned against the railing. From this vantage point, I could make out that some of my classmates were on the ground convulsing and shaking, others were staring heavenward as they lifted up their hands in prayer, and then there were those speaking in tongues or prophesying over other students loudly. I saw one of my friends laughing on the ground as his body shook wildly, while a typically quiet girl was crying her eyes out and shivering uncontrollably.
I’d seen this kind of behavior before, especially during bible class, when the atmosphere became vibrant with people shouting in tongues and the worship band played their loudest. However, this was more than my fragile Baptist mind could take. I stormed off the balcony, feeling as though I were the only sane person left in the world. Afterwards I would speak negatively of what I saw and drew plenty of scorn for doing so. I was accused of demonic possession or influence; but most people just thought I was being contrarian for the sake of being so. Instead, I was deeply shaken by what I saw – it frightened me. More than that, it looked downright sacrilegious, perhaps they were the ones being demonically influenced! In all previous Church experience, I had witnessed nothing like this before. Even clapping during church services was usually frowned upon. I built up in my mind a fortress of indignation and thought of such happenings as wrong. Though I remained friends with many of them, I still considered myself far above such actions like speaking in tongues, prophesying, or being baptised in the spirit. I concluded that they simply had the wrong idea about God and the Bible. Their Christianity was the wrong Christianity. I was a Christian that followed the Bible, not the false teachers who continued to twist the pureness of Christianity in their Charismatic and Pentecostal ways. This, I concluded, long before I ever saw Catholics, which would’ve looked as foreign to me as Buddhists, Taoists, Hinduists, or Islamists.
However, it was what happened outside of my Christian world that really shook my faith. I was in my sophomore year of high school and still a rather shy kid. After classes, I would usually find myself working at a discount grocery store in my neighborhood. While I had good relations with most of my coworkers, I wasn’t one to speak up or rock the boat. Unlike in my Christian school where I felt I was among peers, hardly anyone I worked with was Christian. I was very quiet about my Christian faith. However I was feeling the need to take my Christian faith more seriously, so I decided that I would talk to my co-worker about Christianity. As we went up and down the aisles of food, facing the items, I started to ask him what he knew about Christianity. He humored me, but told me he didn’t know a whole lot. So I decided I would evangelize. I told him about Jesus, the Garden of Eden, and salvation from sin. He did a good job of listening, but didn’t ask too many question. Instead, as I heard what I believed pour out of my mouth, I began to wonder just how believable it all really was. I talked of the virgin birth, of resurrection, of global floods, and of original sin. Saying it aloud, to someone who wasn’t already a part of the club, I felt a strange sensation of foolishness. What was I really saying? At home I proudly told my family of what I’d done, but inside I couldn’t help but think over and over the little uncertainties raised by my evangelizing. Instead of planting the seeds of belief in my co-worker, I had planted the seeds of doubt in myself. When an opportunity to step out in faith presented itself at work again, I couldn’t pass it up. I needed to know what I was believing was real.
Growing up in my home, if ever something became lost (which was a guarantee for remotes, phones, and library books), we would pray that it would be found. Usually, a few minutes after prayer, the item would turn up. There were a few other times where the lost item remained hidden for many weeks or months. Sometimes we never found what we were looking for, despite our insistent prayers. So, at work, only a couple months after first sharing my faith with my co-worker, my manager approached a group of us with an anxious look in his eyes. He’d lost his set of keys for the building. My co-workers set off to hunt down the set of keys, but I stayed with my manager as a thought entered my mind – why not pray for the keys to be found? I figured that I could pray silently by myself, or I could make this an opportunity to share my faith with my non-believing manager. So I turned to him and reluctantly asked if he’d mind if I prayed for the keys to be found. He shrugged, and told me that would be alright. I uttered a short prayer aloud and began searching for the keys as we split ways.
While I prowled the back warehouse for the missing keys, I expected to be interrupted any moment by my manager holding the set of lost keys. Only, as the hours went by and we all returned back to our normal job routines, they weren’t found. It wasn’t until the next day that I found my manager in his office, and asked him if he’d recovered the keys. It turned out that he’d gone home after work and they’d been in his apartment, right on the counter. He didn’t thank me for praying, for it was as though my prayer had no effect on the situation. There was no miraculous appearing of keys, instead he’d had to go the entire day without keys he really needed, and had simply found them at home. I shared this story dejectedly with other Christians and they suggested that perhaps God had prolonged the finding of keys for some reason unknown that would later bring more glory to God. Perhaps. However, all I could feel was slight embarrassment and frustration that my prayers hadn’t had any miraculous effect.
Back to the year 2013, the six months leading up to graduation saw the greatest deterioration of my faith. In memory of these stories I wrote above, I felt my faith become somewhat burdensome. However there was no singular moment where I denied Christ, burnt my Bible, and dropped my cross. This is hardly the case. Perhaps there was a quiet moment in which my faith was fully lost, but if that’s so, then the moment is lost in time. All I know is that eventually I found that I could no longer believe fully that Christianity was true. I was reluctant to pick up the term ‘Atheist’ and opted instead for Agnostic, even though the two aren’t mutually exclusive terms. So I swam in the limbo of not knowing for sure what was true about Christianity. To those who asked, I told them I was in search of what was true and that I would very likely one day become a Christian again.
As time went by I stopped attending church, told my friends of my disbelief, and started to explore the world of apologetics and counter-apologetics. It was at this point that I began to realize just how much I’d been ignorant of in my time as a Christian. Certainly I’d been shown some of the world of apologetics, mostly in two independent lessons by both my school and the church I attended. These two lessons didn’t delve too deeply, indeed one of them was by the infamous Kent Hovind, who taught YEC (young earth creationism). While the other lesson only gave a cursory glance at apologetics and presented an open and shut case for the veracity of Intelligent Design. However, I didn’t realize that most of the questions I’d been asking had numerous sets of answers from a long history of skeptics and Christians alike. Instead of easy answers, all I found was a deep sense of uncertainty. I hadn’t been expecting a consensus on the validity of Christianity, but to find such staunch disagreement on nearly every tenet of the faith – even between Christians – was incredibly perplexing. To make matters worse, there were seemingly good arguments presented for nearly every way of thinking. If one wanted to seek affirmation for the most fundamental, literal view of the Bible, there were numerous websites, books, and experts readily available.
Christians and non-Christians can both be kind, rude, angry, horrible, mean, deceitful, loving, caring, well-wishing, and so on. I found myself reeling. Those first two years outside of the faith, which coincided with my first two years out of high school, saw a young man floundering. I went from job to job, relationship to relationship, and eventually found myself living in the Kentish countryside in the university town of Canterbury. A month before I left my Canadian town for a year’s time in England, I decided that I needed to go back to Christianity. Now to illustrate the falsity of such a conversion, I must illuminate my own desperate need for some foundation in my life. I cannot speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself when I say - whether due to my Christian origins or not - that I needed something to ground me. Better put, I needed something to better myself. Perhaps we all feel this way, perhaps we don’t, but I’ve certainly felt all my life this deep sense of inadequacy. What some might call a ‘god-shaped hole.’ I won’t try to psychoanalyze, but I will say this inadequacy and desire for self-betterment was the basis for my coming back to Christianity after a year of being outside the faith. I saw Christianity as a way to stabilize myself, to feel better, and to have the answers to the questions that raged inside me. I feel as though this is often the unspoken reason for why many come to the faith or stay in it.
So I battled with feelings of existentialism. After my first re-conversion, I saw that it lacked substance and once again lost my faith, this time in the countryside of England. Upon returning to Canada, I started in university and faced again the same emotional crisis that had brought me to my first re-conversion. This time, it was even more half-hearted. Although I had a lot of questions and doubts regarding my faith, many of them foundational, I soothed myself by saying I’d figure them out later. Whatever doubts I harbored, couldn’t overcome what I had gained in coming back to Christianity. I now had my ‘Christian family’ and a strong sense of purpose, even if it was difficult to reconcile my faith with the day-to-day happenings of everyday life. The questions and doubts continued to plague me. The joy I had initially felt upon re-conversion was replaced by exhaustion. Was it really worth it to go back? I couldn’t placate myself with superficial answers to major problems within Christianity, nor could I adopt a conspiracy theorists level of mental gymnastics to account for them. Over time, this eroded my little sandcastle of faith I built and I was once more faced with the prospect of losing my faith.
I remember well those first few days after making a firm decision to move away from the faith for good. It could no longer be about what felt good and what I wanted to be true, I had to go with what I knew to be true. I couldn’t be one of those Christians who stationed their faith in the strongholds of ambiguity, instead I admitted that there was simply no good reason to believe in God and continue a pretend relationship with Jesus Christ. Those initial days were quite difficult. Indeed, even the weeks following, and I would suppose, even until today, I sometimes look back at Christianity with fondness.
There is one major problem with Christianity that keeps me far away from the faith. I’ll conclude my story on this.
The unseen god. This, for me, has always been the fundamental flaw in Christianity. Where is God? Even the most fundamental of Christians will openly admit that they do not speak with God in the same manner that you or I might speak to one another. Instead, they’ll likely rely on impressions made on their ‘heart’, the words of the Bible, or God speaking through others or circumstances. This isn’t to say unquestioningly that God isn’t real, for it’s entirely plausible that God might choose to communicate with his creation through indirect means. This is well within the realm of possibility. However, while a Christian might say God doesn’t speak audibly because he speaks through other indirect means, a nonbeliever might propose that God doesn’t speak audibly because he doesn’t exist at all. Surely an all-knowing god would’ve foreseen this conclusion when thinking about how best to communicate with his creation. What better way than to confirm His existence, than to speak audibly to those who believe, and why not to those who don’t?
The problem runs deeper than this, however. For many Christians might object and say that God did speak audibly when he came in human form two thousand years ago. Jesus Christ. I must object to this objection, as the very nature of Christ is hardly agreed upon – in fact most of the early church arguments revolved around the puzzling nature of Christ. Nowadays we might have solidified, more or less, a theological tenet, but this early confusion is fairly indicative of God’s poor communication skills. These hypothetical Christians might further say that the Spirit lives within them and communicates itself thusly. To this, I would speak to my own experiences with the Holy Spirit. Back when I was in high school, there came a point in time when I grew tired of disagreeing with my Christian friends over their Pentecostal leanings, and during a school-wide retreat, did my best to be receptive to the workings of the Holy Spirit. I got into a line of fellow students leading up to one of our pastors, who was speaking a blessing over us, after which the receiving student crumpled to the ground and sometimes began shouting in tongues. I was ready for what seemed to be an incredible experience. When it came time for me to stand before the pastor, he rested his hand on my forehead and said some vague blessing about my life – I cannot recall it. What I can recall, however, was him pushing on my forehead causing me to take a step back. Clearly, this was some kind of signal to crumple to the ground in Holy Spiritual orgasm, but alas this was my first time. So instead I stumbled back awkwardly and walked away, incredibly disappointed that nothing had occurred.
This gets to the heart of the hiddenness of God. The difference between a Christian and an Atheist is often only a nominal one. One might be led to think that there are immense differences between a non-Christian and a Christian. Indeed, from my own experience, I’ve seen such little differences, and those are usually of the superficial variety. Christians and non-Christians can both be kind, rude, angry, horrible, mean, deceitful, loving, caring, well-wishing, and so on. The Holy Spirit can be likened to the very conscience that nearly all of us possess. When people speak of ‘God working’ it’s often in the form of trivial day-to-day occurrences. God’s work, in their lives, often amounts to which parking spot they get, or if their favorite team won, or even the weather! Now I understand how one might see God in these circumstances, but forgive me if I’m not impressed by natural occurrences being interpreted as supernatural.
Now these aren’t tried and true arguments that I would take up to bat with me if I ever faced a theological giant. I’m quite certain that the esoteric language and ostentatious wording found in many arguments, both for and against Christianity, isn’t what convinces a person one way or another. It might factor in, but I’d be surprised if it was what really convinced a convert or de-convert. That’s not to toss away such reasoning and argument as elitist rhetoric, but to get to the heart of why a lot of people stick with their religion, or abandon it. Oftentimes, I find the mental gymnastics required to explain away the problems within Christian doctrine as both admirable and exhausting. The continuation of theology in our current societies is a monument to the human intellect and the ability of some to make even the most implausible sound plausible. This is why I would also champion a heavy study into the topics that surround Christianity, so that one might be able to see what lies beyond the curtain.
I must also stress that the search for truth, and what that heavy word contains, is not for the fainthearted. Too often do I see Christians carry on in their religion without knowing even the most basic tenets of their faith. This is disheartening because of what I perceive as the false hope surrounding Christian promises of afterlife. This life is important, and not in any way validated by some hopes for another, greater life.
What if I’m wrong? This question, while some may see as demonstrably trivial because of how flippant I may be in the face of other religious wagers, no less haunts me. We cannot know everything. There is much mystery and wonder in the universe, and discovery might likely lead to a complete reversal of all that we’ve so far understood about reality. It is in this mystery that we find God, and so I cannot firmly state that there is no God - not because of a lack of intellectual hunt on my part - but is due instead to my upbringing and life for nearly two decades in the faith. This is a parasitic belief that is not so easily dislodged from myself. Worse still is the damnable doctrine of Hell. Despite being outrageous to many of us, I still know and care about many people who hold to its veracity. Yes, today I can live out my life as though I’m quite far from death and hardly give a single thought to Hell. Only when I ponder on my imminent demise, do I toy with the merciless perils of an eternal afterlife.
I’ll end with this paragraph. Despite growing up religious and being surrounded by religion all of my life, I’ve come to the conclusion that Christianity is man-made. Some Christians might not care about the problems inherent in their faith and continue to believe, while others might admit the problems and strive to find solutions. Most, however, are unaware of these problems. Is it alright to believe in something false? I wouldn’t think so, and I think that many would agree. So this motivates me to write what I wrote and to continue studying. I’m never going to prove a theistic or deistic being false, but the Judeo-Christian God? Despite what many might think, this is a falsifiable being. I imagine a study of history, philosophy, science, and even Christianity itself rewards the intellectually honest with the answers regarding Christian validity. While I strongly lean towards God not being real and Christianity being entirely man-made, I’m still not completely sure. If I can die knowing one way or another and show it conclusively to others, then I’ve completed my purpose in this life.
In the cacophony of voices already ringing out, I suppose it would do no harm to add my own.
While I’m tempted to write a polemic against Christianity, this isn’t the place, nor the time for such antics. Though to be sure, that might end up happening anyways. Instead, this is my story of leaving the Christian faith and some of my reasons for doing so. Not that I’ll be completely able to keep my lips shut on some of the absurdities of Christianity.
Grab something to drink, something to eat, and if you’re in for the long haul, then I strongly suggest at least getting comfortable. For while this story may be brief, I cannot say the same for its re-telling.
The year is 2013. I’m on the cusp of graduating from grade school. Though I should say that this isn’t any normal Canadian grade school. No, this is a private Christian school, which contains all the grades from Kindergarten to grade 12. I’ll stay away from any naming and shaming, and instead call this school WCS (Wacky Christian School). WCS, like many Christian schools, is supported by an adjoining church. This church was of the Protestant variety, and of the many Protestant versions to choose from, it dug its root all the way down to Azusa Street. If asked, they would either call themselves Pentecostals or Charismatics. For simplicity’s sake, I’ll refer to them as Pentecostal.
Despite graduating from a Pentecostal Christian school, I was raised Baptist, which would eventually morph into non-denominationalism, which is still a denomination ironically enough. Not only was I raised in a very different denomination from Pentecostalism, but my father was a pastor of a Baptist church. Although, in later years, he bounced to a few house church movements, before establishing himself as an evangelical, non-denominational Christian. He would say, a Bible-believing Christian, but then most Christians would call themselves that. I bring up denominations because my journey out of the faith began when my Baptist views clashed with the Pentecostal views around me. This doctrinal conflict would later mirror the coming conflict between Christianity and Atheism that came to life within me.
It was in grade 9 that I switched schools and found myself in WCS. In my first year at the school our entire class went to stay at the National House of Prayer in Ottawa. We stayed there for a week, visiting with politicians sympathetic to Christianity and working at missions in the downtown area. The NHOP (unlike the American National House of Pancakes) was a mansion-like building, which I found myself wandering the halls of on our penultimate night of the trip. I came upon a balcony, where most of my classmates had gathered under the cool night sky. Instead of sitting around and talking, my classmates were clustered in small circles, while some of them were screaming and laughing. I couldn’t make heads or tails of what I was seeing, so as not to interrupt, I stuck to the side of the balcony and leaned against the railing. From this vantage point, I could make out that some of my classmates were on the ground convulsing and shaking, others were staring heavenward as they lifted up their hands in prayer, and then there were those speaking in tongues or prophesying over other students loudly. I saw one of my friends laughing on the ground as his body shook wildly, while a typically quiet girl was crying her eyes out and shivering uncontrollably.
I’d seen this kind of behavior before, especially during bible class, when the atmosphere became vibrant with people shouting in tongues and the worship band played their loudest. However, this was more than my fragile Baptist mind could take. I stormed off the balcony, feeling as though I were the only sane person left in the world. Afterwards I would speak negatively of what I saw and drew plenty of scorn for doing so. I was accused of demonic possession or influence; but most people just thought I was being contrarian for the sake of being so. Instead, I was deeply shaken by what I saw – it frightened me. More than that, it looked downright sacrilegious, perhaps they were the ones being demonically influenced! In all previous Church experience, I had witnessed nothing like this before. Even clapping during church services was usually frowned upon. I built up in my mind a fortress of indignation and thought of such happenings as wrong. Though I remained friends with many of them, I still considered myself far above such actions like speaking in tongues, prophesying, or being baptised in the spirit. I concluded that they simply had the wrong idea about God and the Bible. Their Christianity was the wrong Christianity. I was a Christian that followed the Bible, not the false teachers who continued to twist the pureness of Christianity in their Charismatic and Pentecostal ways. This, I concluded, long before I ever saw Catholics, which would’ve looked as foreign to me as Buddhists, Taoists, Hinduists, or Islamists.
However, it was what happened outside of my Christian world that really shook my faith. I was in my sophomore year of high school and still a rather shy kid. After classes, I would usually find myself working at a discount grocery store in my neighborhood. While I had good relations with most of my coworkers, I wasn’t one to speak up or rock the boat. Unlike in my Christian school where I felt I was among peers, hardly anyone I worked with was Christian. I was very quiet about my Christian faith. However I was feeling the need to take my Christian faith more seriously, so I decided that I would talk to my co-worker about Christianity. As we went up and down the aisles of food, facing the items, I started to ask him what he knew about Christianity. He humored me, but told me he didn’t know a whole lot. So I decided I would evangelize. I told him about Jesus, the Garden of Eden, and salvation from sin. He did a good job of listening, but didn’t ask too many question. Instead, as I heard what I believed pour out of my mouth, I began to wonder just how believable it all really was. I talked of the virgin birth, of resurrection, of global floods, and of original sin. Saying it aloud, to someone who wasn’t already a part of the club, I felt a strange sensation of foolishness. What was I really saying? At home I proudly told my family of what I’d done, but inside I couldn’t help but think over and over the little uncertainties raised by my evangelizing. Instead of planting the seeds of belief in my co-worker, I had planted the seeds of doubt in myself. When an opportunity to step out in faith presented itself at work again, I couldn’t pass it up. I needed to know what I was believing was real.
Growing up in my home, if ever something became lost (which was a guarantee for remotes, phones, and library books), we would pray that it would be found. Usually, a few minutes after prayer, the item would turn up. There were a few other times where the lost item remained hidden for many weeks or months. Sometimes we never found what we were looking for, despite our insistent prayers. So, at work, only a couple months after first sharing my faith with my co-worker, my manager approached a group of us with an anxious look in his eyes. He’d lost his set of keys for the building. My co-workers set off to hunt down the set of keys, but I stayed with my manager as a thought entered my mind – why not pray for the keys to be found? I figured that I could pray silently by myself, or I could make this an opportunity to share my faith with my non-believing manager. So I turned to him and reluctantly asked if he’d mind if I prayed for the keys to be found. He shrugged, and told me that would be alright. I uttered a short prayer aloud and began searching for the keys as we split ways.
While I prowled the back warehouse for the missing keys, I expected to be interrupted any moment by my manager holding the set of lost keys. Only, as the hours went by and we all returned back to our normal job routines, they weren’t found. It wasn’t until the next day that I found my manager in his office, and asked him if he’d recovered the keys. It turned out that he’d gone home after work and they’d been in his apartment, right on the counter. He didn’t thank me for praying, for it was as though my prayer had no effect on the situation. There was no miraculous appearing of keys, instead he’d had to go the entire day without keys he really needed, and had simply found them at home. I shared this story dejectedly with other Christians and they suggested that perhaps God had prolonged the finding of keys for some reason unknown that would later bring more glory to God. Perhaps. However, all I could feel was slight embarrassment and frustration that my prayers hadn’t had any miraculous effect.
Back to the year 2013, the six months leading up to graduation saw the greatest deterioration of my faith. In memory of these stories I wrote above, I felt my faith become somewhat burdensome. However there was no singular moment where I denied Christ, burnt my Bible, and dropped my cross. This is hardly the case. Perhaps there was a quiet moment in which my faith was fully lost, but if that’s so, then the moment is lost in time. All I know is that eventually I found that I could no longer believe fully that Christianity was true. I was reluctant to pick up the term ‘Atheist’ and opted instead for Agnostic, even though the two aren’t mutually exclusive terms. So I swam in the limbo of not knowing for sure what was true about Christianity. To those who asked, I told them I was in search of what was true and that I would very likely one day become a Christian again.
As time went by I stopped attending church, told my friends of my disbelief, and started to explore the world of apologetics and counter-apologetics. It was at this point that I began to realize just how much I’d been ignorant of in my time as a Christian. Certainly I’d been shown some of the world of apologetics, mostly in two independent lessons by both my school and the church I attended. These two lessons didn’t delve too deeply, indeed one of them was by the infamous Kent Hovind, who taught YEC (young earth creationism). While the other lesson only gave a cursory glance at apologetics and presented an open and shut case for the veracity of Intelligent Design. However, I didn’t realize that most of the questions I’d been asking had numerous sets of answers from a long history of skeptics and Christians alike. Instead of easy answers, all I found was a deep sense of uncertainty. I hadn’t been expecting a consensus on the validity of Christianity, but to find such staunch disagreement on nearly every tenet of the faith – even between Christians – was incredibly perplexing. To make matters worse, there were seemingly good arguments presented for nearly every way of thinking. If one wanted to seek affirmation for the most fundamental, literal view of the Bible, there were numerous websites, books, and experts readily available.
Christians and non-Christians can both be kind, rude, angry, horrible, mean, deceitful, loving, caring, well-wishing, and so on. I found myself reeling. Those first two years outside of the faith, which coincided with my first two years out of high school, saw a young man floundering. I went from job to job, relationship to relationship, and eventually found myself living in the Kentish countryside in the university town of Canterbury. A month before I left my Canadian town for a year’s time in England, I decided that I needed to go back to Christianity. Now to illustrate the falsity of such a conversion, I must illuminate my own desperate need for some foundation in my life. I cannot speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself when I say - whether due to my Christian origins or not - that I needed something to ground me. Better put, I needed something to better myself. Perhaps we all feel this way, perhaps we don’t, but I’ve certainly felt all my life this deep sense of inadequacy. What some might call a ‘god-shaped hole.’ I won’t try to psychoanalyze, but I will say this inadequacy and desire for self-betterment was the basis for my coming back to Christianity after a year of being outside the faith. I saw Christianity as a way to stabilize myself, to feel better, and to have the answers to the questions that raged inside me. I feel as though this is often the unspoken reason for why many come to the faith or stay in it.
So I battled with feelings of existentialism. After my first re-conversion, I saw that it lacked substance and once again lost my faith, this time in the countryside of England. Upon returning to Canada, I started in university and faced again the same emotional crisis that had brought me to my first re-conversion. This time, it was even more half-hearted. Although I had a lot of questions and doubts regarding my faith, many of them foundational, I soothed myself by saying I’d figure them out later. Whatever doubts I harbored, couldn’t overcome what I had gained in coming back to Christianity. I now had my ‘Christian family’ and a strong sense of purpose, even if it was difficult to reconcile my faith with the day-to-day happenings of everyday life. The questions and doubts continued to plague me. The joy I had initially felt upon re-conversion was replaced by exhaustion. Was it really worth it to go back? I couldn’t placate myself with superficial answers to major problems within Christianity, nor could I adopt a conspiracy theorists level of mental gymnastics to account for them. Over time, this eroded my little sandcastle of faith I built and I was once more faced with the prospect of losing my faith.
I remember well those first few days after making a firm decision to move away from the faith for good. It could no longer be about what felt good and what I wanted to be true, I had to go with what I knew to be true. I couldn’t be one of those Christians who stationed their faith in the strongholds of ambiguity, instead I admitted that there was simply no good reason to believe in God and continue a pretend relationship with Jesus Christ. Those initial days were quite difficult. Indeed, even the weeks following, and I would suppose, even until today, I sometimes look back at Christianity with fondness.
There is one major problem with Christianity that keeps me far away from the faith. I’ll conclude my story on this.
The unseen god. This, for me, has always been the fundamental flaw in Christianity. Where is God? Even the most fundamental of Christians will openly admit that they do not speak with God in the same manner that you or I might speak to one another. Instead, they’ll likely rely on impressions made on their ‘heart’, the words of the Bible, or God speaking through others or circumstances. This isn’t to say unquestioningly that God isn’t real, for it’s entirely plausible that God might choose to communicate with his creation through indirect means. This is well within the realm of possibility. However, while a Christian might say God doesn’t speak audibly because he speaks through other indirect means, a nonbeliever might propose that God doesn’t speak audibly because he doesn’t exist at all. Surely an all-knowing god would’ve foreseen this conclusion when thinking about how best to communicate with his creation. What better way than to confirm His existence, than to speak audibly to those who believe, and why not to those who don’t?
The problem runs deeper than this, however. For many Christians might object and say that God did speak audibly when he came in human form two thousand years ago. Jesus Christ. I must object to this objection, as the very nature of Christ is hardly agreed upon – in fact most of the early church arguments revolved around the puzzling nature of Christ. Nowadays we might have solidified, more or less, a theological tenet, but this early confusion is fairly indicative of God’s poor communication skills. These hypothetical Christians might further say that the Spirit lives within them and communicates itself thusly. To this, I would speak to my own experiences with the Holy Spirit. Back when I was in high school, there came a point in time when I grew tired of disagreeing with my Christian friends over their Pentecostal leanings, and during a school-wide retreat, did my best to be receptive to the workings of the Holy Spirit. I got into a line of fellow students leading up to one of our pastors, who was speaking a blessing over us, after which the receiving student crumpled to the ground and sometimes began shouting in tongues. I was ready for what seemed to be an incredible experience. When it came time for me to stand before the pastor, he rested his hand on my forehead and said some vague blessing about my life – I cannot recall it. What I can recall, however, was him pushing on my forehead causing me to take a step back. Clearly, this was some kind of signal to crumple to the ground in Holy Spiritual orgasm, but alas this was my first time. So instead I stumbled back awkwardly and walked away, incredibly disappointed that nothing had occurred.
This gets to the heart of the hiddenness of God. The difference between a Christian and an Atheist is often only a nominal one. One might be led to think that there are immense differences between a non-Christian and a Christian. Indeed, from my own experience, I’ve seen such little differences, and those are usually of the superficial variety. Christians and non-Christians can both be kind, rude, angry, horrible, mean, deceitful, loving, caring, well-wishing, and so on. The Holy Spirit can be likened to the very conscience that nearly all of us possess. When people speak of ‘God working’ it’s often in the form of trivial day-to-day occurrences. God’s work, in their lives, often amounts to which parking spot they get, or if their favorite team won, or even the weather! Now I understand how one might see God in these circumstances, but forgive me if I’m not impressed by natural occurrences being interpreted as supernatural.
Now these aren’t tried and true arguments that I would take up to bat with me if I ever faced a theological giant. I’m quite certain that the esoteric language and ostentatious wording found in many arguments, both for and against Christianity, isn’t what convinces a person one way or another. It might factor in, but I’d be surprised if it was what really convinced a convert or de-convert. That’s not to toss away such reasoning and argument as elitist rhetoric, but to get to the heart of why a lot of people stick with their religion, or abandon it. Oftentimes, I find the mental gymnastics required to explain away the problems within Christian doctrine as both admirable and exhausting. The continuation of theology in our current societies is a monument to the human intellect and the ability of some to make even the most implausible sound plausible. This is why I would also champion a heavy study into the topics that surround Christianity, so that one might be able to see what lies beyond the curtain.
I must also stress that the search for truth, and what that heavy word contains, is not for the fainthearted. Too often do I see Christians carry on in their religion without knowing even the most basic tenets of their faith. This is disheartening because of what I perceive as the false hope surrounding Christian promises of afterlife. This life is important, and not in any way validated by some hopes for another, greater life.
What if I’m wrong? This question, while some may see as demonstrably trivial because of how flippant I may be in the face of other religious wagers, no less haunts me. We cannot know everything. There is much mystery and wonder in the universe, and discovery might likely lead to a complete reversal of all that we’ve so far understood about reality. It is in this mystery that we find God, and so I cannot firmly state that there is no God - not because of a lack of intellectual hunt on my part - but is due instead to my upbringing and life for nearly two decades in the faith. This is a parasitic belief that is not so easily dislodged from myself. Worse still is the damnable doctrine of Hell. Despite being outrageous to many of us, I still know and care about many people who hold to its veracity. Yes, today I can live out my life as though I’m quite far from death and hardly give a single thought to Hell. Only when I ponder on my imminent demise, do I toy with the merciless perils of an eternal afterlife.
I’ll end with this paragraph. Despite growing up religious and being surrounded by religion all of my life, I’ve come to the conclusion that Christianity is man-made. Some Christians might not care about the problems inherent in their faith and continue to believe, while others might admit the problems and strive to find solutions. Most, however, are unaware of these problems. Is it alright to believe in something false? I wouldn’t think so, and I think that many would agree. So this motivates me to write what I wrote and to continue studying. I’m never going to prove a theistic or deistic being false, but the Judeo-Christian God? Despite what many might think, this is a falsifiable being. I imagine a study of history, philosophy, science, and even Christianity itself rewards the intellectually honest with the answers regarding Christian validity. While I strongly lean towards God not being real and Christianity being entirely man-made, I’m still not completely sure. If I can die knowing one way or another and show it conclusively to others, then I’ve completed my purpose in this life.
I Kissed “Kissing Dating Goodbye” Good Bye
By Steve Dustcircle ~
I grew up fundamentalist, but strayed for a few years in my teens to seek out gangs, sex and art. After a couple of years, I returned to the Church but dabbled in romance and kink on and off. Eventually, I returned to the Church and tried to be good.
However, in the Church, “being good” means trying not to have sex but keeping an eye open for a suitable partner. The hunt is always on, and I was constantly having to show my spiritual peacock feathers. I had to flash my mojo more so than other Christian because I had some strikes against me:
But in certain religions—as it is in Christianity—once you marry, it is for life. There is no divorce. There is no leaving. There therefore is no settling. Why marry someone a par or two less than what you can possibly get?
Essentially, this would keep many of my older friends single and unmarried way into their forties and fifties. You even wonder if these people are saying that they are “waiting for the right one to come along” are merely trying to cover the possibility that they are gay or lesbian.
When I first reintroduced myself to the Church when I was 18 years old, I didn't know much about dating. Showing interest in a girl at church the second or third time I went, an acquaintance said that he didn't think she was interested in dating anyone. Not interested? We're fresh adults in our prime, at the age of looking for a spouse. How can she not be wanting to date anyone?
Later, I spent about three months in an intentional community of Christians: Jesus People USA. This was the same group of people that are known for the Jesus Movement of hippies in the 1960s and 1970s. They now live in a huge hotel in Chicago and have several businesses that they run, including Cornerstone Festival.
Everyone at JPUSA lived in small bedrooms with other people like dormitories, and you lived with your spouse and children if you were married. Not being married, I was immediately looking at options. Most of the cute women were married off, and maybe of the younger girls were courting, or were pre-engaged. Not many options, not that needed a spouse yet, but I was trying to be a good Christian man but horny as hell.
There was this one girl that caught my eye and was about my age. She has long, dark red hair, fair skin with freckles, and I thought her body was ideal: smaller breasts and a large round butt. I thought she was super hot and would talk to her occasionally, and she seemed to respond to me, even if it were to be friendly.
One time I was going to approach her but saw this book she was reading: I Kissed Dating Goodbye. My word! Why would she do that? Why would she not want to date? Why wouldn't she be interested in having a boyfriend, and eventually a husband? She was so fine (my early-twenties' libido) that I literally thought to myself, “What a waste.” Someone that hot not wanting to date, to marry, to have sex.
After a while hanging out in singles groups and hearing sermons on relationships, I started to learn that Christians approach dating different. You friend them, then hang out with them in groups, then have the talk, then start to court with marriage in mind, get married, and then you can have sex.
I kind of knew these things, but not in completion. You learn these things as you mess up, get corrected by someone in leadership, or teased by a peer. The I Kissed Dating Goodbye movement left quite an impression on me. Not having read the book, or knowing the cleverness of the title, the title left a bad taste in my mouth.
Guys are taught that women don't have strong sex drives, that they reluctantly give in to men's advances, and that you sort of have to woo them to get them into bed. I thought the same went with marriage. Hide your dirty laundry so Miss Perfect will accept your advances. Someone not wanting to date is like a baseball player not wanting to reach first base; they obviously don't want to reach second or third.
Sex was forbidden in my religion, but many were giving in. And I was young and horny, so I gave in, too. I was a serial monogamist, loyal to whoever I was dating and/or having sex with. But I wanted God to bless my future marriage.
Basically, anyone in love with someone else, I encourage them to express their love with that person in any way that they desire. And if you're both mutually-respectful adults and wish to have a fling, go for it. Be happy, live fulfilled. Don't let any religion or dating advice be your sole force in how you live your life. Once I dropped religion and its unrealistic demands to the wayside, the more fulfilling my sex life got. I don't carry the guilt and I can fully express what I want with my wife.
And here's the kicker: she has a sex drive, just like any other woman. And I don't have to coerce her into bed or to date me. Women are just like guys. But religious people and texts won't tell you this.
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I grew up fundamentalist, but strayed for a few years in my teens to seek out gangs, sex and art. After a couple of years, I returned to the Church but dabbled in romance and kink on and off. Eventually, I returned to the Church and tried to be good.
However, in the Church, “being good” means trying not to have sex but keeping an eye open for a suitable partner. The hunt is always on, and I was constantly having to show my spiritual peacock feathers. I had to flash my mojo more so than other Christian because I had some strikes against me:
- I wasn't a virgin
- I didn't have a clean record
- I was a smoker
- I liked to drink
But in certain religions—as it is in Christianity—once you marry, it is for life. There is no divorce. There is no leaving. There therefore is no settling. Why marry someone a par or two less than what you can possibly get?
Essentially, this would keep many of my older friends single and unmarried way into their forties and fifties. You even wonder if these people are saying that they are “waiting for the right one to come along” are merely trying to cover the possibility that they are gay or lesbian.
When I first reintroduced myself to the Church when I was 18 years old, I didn't know much about dating. Showing interest in a girl at church the second or third time I went, an acquaintance said that he didn't think she was interested in dating anyone. Not interested? We're fresh adults in our prime, at the age of looking for a spouse. How can she not be wanting to date anyone?
Later, I spent about three months in an intentional community of Christians: Jesus People USA. This was the same group of people that are known for the Jesus Movement of hippies in the 1960s and 1970s. They now live in a huge hotel in Chicago and have several businesses that they run, including Cornerstone Festival.
Everyone at JPUSA lived in small bedrooms with other people like dormitories, and you lived with your spouse and children if you were married. Not being married, I was immediately looking at options. Most of the cute women were married off, and maybe of the younger girls were courting, or were pre-engaged. Not many options, not that needed a spouse yet, but I was trying to be a good Christian man but horny as hell.
There was this one girl that caught my eye and was about my age. She has long, dark red hair, fair skin with freckles, and I thought her body was ideal: smaller breasts and a large round butt. I thought she was super hot and would talk to her occasionally, and she seemed to respond to me, even if it were to be friendly.
One time I was going to approach her but saw this book she was reading: I Kissed Dating Goodbye. My word! Why would she do that? Why would she not want to date? Why wouldn't she be interested in having a boyfriend, and eventually a husband? She was so fine (my early-twenties' libido) that I literally thought to myself, “What a waste.” Someone that hot not wanting to date, to marry, to have sex.
After a while hanging out in singles groups and hearing sermons on relationships, I started to learn that Christians approach dating different. You friend them, then hang out with them in groups, then have the talk, then start to court with marriage in mind, get married, and then you can have sex.
I kind of knew these things, but not in completion. You learn these things as you mess up, get corrected by someone in leadership, or teased by a peer. The I Kissed Dating Goodbye movement left quite an impression on me. Not having read the book, or knowing the cleverness of the title, the title left a bad taste in my mouth.
Guys are taught that women don't have strong sex drives, that they reluctantly give in to men's advances, and that you sort of have to woo them to get them into bed. I thought the same went with marriage. Hide your dirty laundry so Miss Perfect will accept your advances. Someone not wanting to date is like a baseball player not wanting to reach first base; they obviously don't want to reach second or third.
Sex was forbidden in my religion, but many were giving in. And I was young and horny, so I gave in, too. I was a serial monogamist, loyal to whoever I was dating and/or having sex with. But I wanted God to bless my future marriage.
Basically, anyone in love with someone else, I encourage them to express their love with that person in any way that they desire. And if you're both mutually-respectful adults and wish to have a fling, go for it. Be happy, live fulfilled. Don't let any religion or dating advice be your sole force in how you live your life. Once I dropped religion and its unrealistic demands to the wayside, the more fulfilling my sex life got. I don't carry the guilt and I can fully express what I want with my wife.
And here's the kicker: she has a sex drive, just like any other woman. And I don't have to coerce her into bed or to date me. Women are just like guys. But religious people and texts won't tell you this.
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The Fine-Tuning Argument
By WizenedSage (Galen Rose) ~
Among Christian apologists, what is termed “The Fine-Tuning Argument” appears to be one of the most popular arguments for the existence of a god. The hypothesis is that there are numerous physical constants and conditions that must be met to very close tolerances before life could arise and be sustained in our universe, so this universe must be the work of a creator god.
He may not have been the first to propose this particular counter-argument, but the novelist Douglas Adams penned the following clever insight - one of my favorites:
Then, of course, some of those fine-tuning parameters could be very different from what they are and still allow life to begin and survive. Quite a number of extremophiles, organisms which can survive in extreme environments, have been discovered in the past few decades; in virtually boiling hot springs, at deep sea vents, and in the dirt several miles below the earth’s surface, for example. Thus, earth could have been well outside the “Goldilocks Zone” - at the right distance from the sun for surface water to be liquid - and still given birth to life. It has even been conjectured that life could exist in the gaseous atmosphere of Jupiter, or under the ice on some of the moons of other planets in our solar system.
It could also be that Big Bang type events have happened billions of times, with nearly all being duds because the physical constants and conditions did not enable those universes to hold together, or otherwise failed to fit the requirements for life to arise. In other words, universes might be quite common, so it’s a virtual certainty that out of so many “rolls of the dice,” purely by chance, one would finally come along that was “perfect,” or nearly so.
With a little research I have uncovered several other clever counter-arguments that non-believers might arm themselves with.
First off, there is the fact that the universe is very, very big and very, very old. As Richard Carrier explains:
That is, if there were a god, there wouldn’t be a need for trillions and trillions of stars and billions of years, there would be a need for only one planet. All the rest would be superfluous and exceedingly wasteful of a brilliant designer-god.
Next, we have to ask whether fine-tuning was necessary for the designer to exist. Presumably, the designer existed before there was a universe and any fine-tuning. If there is a god, and he is “alive,” then clearly life CAN exist without all these finely-tuned parameters. Thus, the argument is self-refuting.
Lastly, one should reflect on just what “omnipotent” means. Fine-tuning arguments always assume an omnipotent god, usually the one from Abrahamic traditions. Such a god would not have limitations. As Victor J. Stenger wrote in God: The Failed Hypothesis:
So, if God had to fine-tune the universe to a particular set of constants and conditions because not doing so would not have allowed him to bring life into existence (and as they claim in their argument, a different set and there's no life), then God is not omnipotent. In fact, if god had to work within some set of rules like this, then this implies another deity superior to god.
Ultimately then, the fine-tuning argument is quite vulnerable to attack from many different angles. And please note that I have only described a few of my favorite counter-arguments; there are others, should you wish to research the topic. Although, if you can’t budge your believer with any of these, then you might as well just laugh at his ignorance and ask whether he’s seen any good movies lately.
Among Christian apologists, what is termed “The Fine-Tuning Argument” appears to be one of the most popular arguments for the existence of a god. The hypothesis is that there are numerous physical constants and conditions that must be met to very close tolerances before life could arise and be sustained in our universe, so this universe must be the work of a creator god.
He may not have been the first to propose this particular counter-argument, but the novelist Douglas Adams penned the following clever insight - one of my favorites:
“This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in — an interesting hole I find myself in — fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!' This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be alright, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for.”
Then, of course, some of those fine-tuning parameters could be very different from what they are and still allow life to begin and survive. Quite a number of extremophiles, organisms which can survive in extreme environments, have been discovered in the past few decades; in virtually boiling hot springs, at deep sea vents, and in the dirt several miles below the earth’s surface, for example. Thus, earth could have been well outside the “Goldilocks Zone” - at the right distance from the sun for surface water to be liquid - and still given birth to life. It has even been conjectured that life could exist in the gaseous atmosphere of Jupiter, or under the ice on some of the moons of other planets in our solar system.
It could also be that Big Bang type events have happened billions of times, with nearly all being duds because the physical constants and conditions did not enable those universes to hold together, or otherwise failed to fit the requirements for life to arise. In other words, universes might be quite common, so it’s a virtual certainty that out of so many “rolls of the dice,” purely by chance, one would finally come along that was “perfect,” or nearly so.
With a little research I have uncovered several other clever counter-arguments that non-believers might arm themselves with.
First off, there is the fact that the universe is very, very big and very, very old. As Richard Carrier explains:
"[A] universe that produced us by chance would have to be enormously vast in size and enormously old, so as to have all the room to mix countless chemicals countless times in countless places so as to have any chance of accidentally kicking up something as complex as life. And that’s exactly the universe we see: one enormously vast in size and age."
That is, if there were a god, there wouldn’t be a need for trillions and trillions of stars and billions of years, there would be a need for only one planet. All the rest would be superfluous and exceedingly wasteful of a brilliant designer-god.
Next, we have to ask whether fine-tuning was necessary for the designer to exist. Presumably, the designer existed before there was a universe and any fine-tuning. If there is a god, and he is “alive,” then clearly life CAN exist without all these finely-tuned parameters. Thus, the argument is self-refuting.
Lastly, one should reflect on just what “omnipotent” means. Fine-tuning arguments always assume an omnipotent god, usually the one from Abrahamic traditions. Such a god would not have limitations. As Victor J. Stenger wrote in God: The Failed Hypothesis:
"In fact, the whole argument from fine-tuning ultimately makes no sense. As my friend Martin Wagner notes, all physical parameters are irrelevant to an omnipotent God. 'He could have created us to live in a hard vacuum if he wanted.'”
So, if God had to fine-tune the universe to a particular set of constants and conditions because not doing so would not have allowed him to bring life into existence (and as they claim in their argument, a different set and there's no life), then God is not omnipotent. In fact, if god had to work within some set of rules like this, then this implies another deity superior to god.
Ultimately then, the fine-tuning argument is quite vulnerable to attack from many different angles. And please note that I have only described a few of my favorite counter-arguments; there are others, should you wish to research the topic. Although, if you can’t budge your believer with any of these, then you might as well just laugh at his ignorance and ask whether he’s seen any good movies lately.
How Do You Know Your Missionaries Aren’t Lying?
By Carl S ~
Every month, my wife and another lady from her church work on the church collections and expenditures report from the past month. And every month I hear my wife's end of the conversations over the phone, and they always mention the missionary allowance. Every time, I want to ask a question. This time I gave in to temptation and, after taking a psychological deep breath, asked, "Just what are those missionaries telling people?" My wife replied, "I assume, the teachings of the church." So, by way of giving a reason for my question, I offered an example for it.
I mentioned something that happened just last week: We took our car to a local repair shop, where my wife described "the sounds" (she could hear them, not me), coming from the rear brake area. Later on, we were presented with a rundown of problems and expenses to fix them. Their report didn't sound right to me, so I told them we'd wait. We made an appointment for another shop, one we'd found reliable. There, we ended up paying slightly more than 50% of what the first place asked. I told her we didn't take the word of the first place in assuming they were honest. Why assume the missionaries are honest? I mentioned a couple we know who were missionaries, and they taught birth control. She asked how I knew this. I said the husband told me that he taught men how to use condoms. I asked, "What if other missionaries don't believe in birth control, and are teaching against it? What if missionaries you support are teaching things you and your friend at church don't agree with?" No answer. I recall asking her earlier about what was being taught to children at Sunday school while the parents were upstairs at church service. It was assumed they were taught whatever the church (allegedly) believes.
Consumer Reports has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. People go to the internet for info at its site and other sites for more information. They go to check out products they consider purchasing, for quality and reliability. Nobody who cares, who doesn't want to lose money and/or end up with a problematic product, takes the statements of manufacturers and their salespeople on faith before buying their products. Except for religious claims. When it comes to them, their salespeople are trusted to take one's time and money, and sell... what it's assumed they're selling. They are being trusted to not sell beliefs of their own choosing - beliefs and attitudes one totally disagrees with.
Every month I am made aware of how believers are indifferent to these matters. People who claim to care so very much about truth are extremely indifferent to investigating whether the products they're buying are true. I keep asking myself why they keep supporting those missionaries, without not only investigations, but questions.
If you or I claim to be the official spokespersons of the Democratic or Republican Party, making public statements of policy in their name, why, the parties would be all over us, denying we speak for them! The entire news media would be attacking us with all the weapons they have. On the other hand, if we "speak for God," in our own congregations, well then, it's a different story. We would each have our own brand of "God," and every brand is the true one, and nobody would investigate whether we are telling them the truth, or just making things up. And that's the way it is, isn't it so?
Now, my lovely and loving spouse asked me a question years ago, and I think she hasn't changed her slant on this. Others ask the same question: "Why do you care about what others say about God? You don't believe in God." True, but I am concerned about what's tied up in believing in this "God," that whatever "he" says or demands is taken to be more valuable than human lives, to begin with. I'm concerned whenever people are icily indifferent to evidence contrary to what they insist on believing, because by doing so they refuse to learn. According to Francis Bacon: "Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true." (These words should be on every church foundation stone.) That's worrisome. Obedient religious faith is poisonous. How can one be indifferent to poison? As per an anonymous quote: "Bigotry is being certain of something you know nothing about." This same "certainty" is the definition of "religious faith." Just as we must confront and criticize the one, we must challenge and criticize the other. If we are atheist or agnostic, what difference does it make?
Every month, my wife and another lady from her church work on the church collections and expenditures report from the past month. And every month I hear my wife's end of the conversations over the phone, and they always mention the missionary allowance. Every time, I want to ask a question. This time I gave in to temptation and, after taking a psychological deep breath, asked, "Just what are those missionaries telling people?" My wife replied, "I assume, the teachings of the church." So, by way of giving a reason for my question, I offered an example for it.
I mentioned something that happened just last week: We took our car to a local repair shop, where my wife described "the sounds" (she could hear them, not me), coming from the rear brake area. Later on, we were presented with a rundown of problems and expenses to fix them. Their report didn't sound right to me, so I told them we'd wait. We made an appointment for another shop, one we'd found reliable. There, we ended up paying slightly more than 50% of what the first place asked. I told her we didn't take the word of the first place in assuming they were honest. Why assume the missionaries are honest? I mentioned a couple we know who were missionaries, and they taught birth control. She asked how I knew this. I said the husband told me that he taught men how to use condoms. I asked, "What if other missionaries don't believe in birth control, and are teaching against it? What if missionaries you support are teaching things you and your friend at church don't agree with?" No answer. I recall asking her earlier about what was being taught to children at Sunday school while the parents were upstairs at church service. It was assumed they were taught whatever the church (allegedly) believes.
Consumer Reports has hundreds of thousands of subscribers. People go to the internet for info at its site and other sites for more information. They go to check out products they consider purchasing, for quality and reliability. Nobody who cares, who doesn't want to lose money and/or end up with a problematic product, takes the statements of manufacturers and their salespeople on faith before buying their products. Except for religious claims. When it comes to them, their salespeople are trusted to take one's time and money, and sell... what it's assumed they're selling. They are being trusted to not sell beliefs of their own choosing - beliefs and attitudes one totally disagrees with.
Every month I am made aware of how believers are indifferent to these matters. People who claim to care so very much about truth are extremely indifferent to investigating whether the products they're buying are true. I keep asking myself why they keep supporting those missionaries, without not only investigations, but questions.
If you or I claim to be the official spokespersons of the Democratic or Republican Party, making public statements of policy in their name, why, the parties would be all over us, denying we speak for them! The entire news media would be attacking us with all the weapons they have. On the other hand, if we "speak for God," in our own congregations, well then, it's a different story. We would each have our own brand of "God," and every brand is the true one, and nobody would investigate whether we are telling them the truth, or just making things up. And that's the way it is, isn't it so?
Now, my lovely and loving spouse asked me a question years ago, and I think she hasn't changed her slant on this. Others ask the same question: "Why do you care about what others say about God? You don't believe in God." True, but I am concerned about what's tied up in believing in this "God," that whatever "he" says or demands is taken to be more valuable than human lives, to begin with. I'm concerned whenever people are icily indifferent to evidence contrary to what they insist on believing, because by doing so they refuse to learn. According to Francis Bacon: "Man prefers to believe what he prefers to be true." (These words should be on every church foundation stone.) That's worrisome. Obedient religious faith is poisonous. How can one be indifferent to poison? As per an anonymous quote: "Bigotry is being certain of something you know nothing about." This same "certainty" is the definition of "religious faith." Just as we must confront and criticize the one, we must challenge and criticize the other. If we are atheist or agnostic, what difference does it make?
My life in cults
By Claire Bear ~
Well, I will start at the beginning, as it's a good place to start.
I was a very deep thinking, shy and painfully insecure child. I remember from a very young age wondering what life was about? Why am I here? My parents were and still are evolutionists. This was hard for me to accept, what there's no point to life we just die and that's it? Surely not? There had to be more.
So began my search. When I was 18 I met a lovely Muslim man called Riz, he was the first person I had met who really had a strong religious belief, so I read the Quran, I read it about 5 times. It was very scary, very detailed descriptions of hell, where skin is burnt off and replaced for eternity. I was very frighted by this. I cried when I read at sura 4:34 which says a man could beat his wife if she disobeyed him. None the less there were things that made me believe it, their stance on alcohol as I could see all the trouble it caused, their modesty, I hated how woman objectified themselves in porn, strip clubs and films. It mentioned the birds flying in formation and how God had taught them to do this. This made sense to me. Eventually I met his parents, who were very opposed to me, in fact when I first went to there house the Dad was very surprised that I didn't go and help his wife cook the meal instead I stayed and watched cricket with the men. Then when the doorbell rang, they rushed me into the garden and hid me like I was a dirty little white non muslim. I was very angry at Riz for allowing them to do this to me and we eventually broke up. I came away thinking that if Allah is God then I have to disagree with him even if I end up in Hell, i just couldn't accept a God that would torture people in Hell.
I moved back home and met Anthony who is my husband. He was very involved in the partying scene and I soon joined him. I tried drugs thinking maybe they would make me happy, open my mind, but they didn't. It was a false, short lived joy that left me feeling awful afterwards.
Anthony and I moved in together and started a family. My depression escalated I couldn't stand the suffering in the world, what world had I brought these children into? I broke down in tears, I cried out to God, "I don't know if you exist, but if you do please let me know and please explain why there's so much suffering?". Not long after Jehovahs witnesses knocked on our door. They were decent people, they explained they didn't believe in Hell like the rest of Christianity, that it was just an illustration for eternal death. They gave me a tract entitled, 'All suffering soon to end'. They reasoned with me on evolution, how did an eye know how to be an eye? I cried, there was a God, he was going to do something, he did care and he wanted me. My husband joined the bible study they conducted and we were both soon were baptised. We stopped celebrating all the pagan religious celebrations and lived a life of slavery to an organisation called the Watchtower. As well as my husband working and me caring for our 4 children we had to go to meetings twice a week, door knocking at least once a week to try to bring people in to a relationship with God, conduct a Family study with our children once a week and all the other nights pre studying for the meetings in which we were expected to answer. Basically we had very little free time and that which we did have, we felt guilty for. The leaders of this cult were called The Governing Body and claimed to be the faithful slave that Jesus said would feed his domestics. They claimed they were Gods channel to mankind and we were heavily indoctrinated into believing this.
Eventually things began to unravel. They judged my husband who with his stressful job, wasn't doing enough hours knocking on doors. They took him off the what they viewed as a privilege, holding the microphones in Kingdom hall (church). I cried, it was so unlike the story of the widows might. She gave all she could and God excepted it. My husband gave all he could and it was as if they had thrown those coins of little value back in his face. Then I thought of Jesus' words, that his yoke was easy and light. This way of life was anything but easy and light, I couldn't cope anymore. I remember thinking that if I was to call on my neighbour who has 7 children and she became a JW, she'd have a mental brake down. I only had 4 kids and taking then to 1hr 45min long meetings, which they had to sit through, bored out of there brains twice a week as well as knocking on doors at the weekend was so hard that I wasn't coping, how could she? The JW's judge the world, they are the only ones that will survive armageddon everyone else if they didn't accept them as the truth would die, unless they hadn't heard the message and God read their hearts as good. I cried out to God again, "If this is the truth then help me do this, but if not please let me know".
I went to my husband and told him I couldn't do this anymore, I explained how judging they were and they were!!! They judged what you wore, if a man had facial hair, they thought this was hippy like, how many hours door knocking you did, if you answered up at meetings etc etc. I explained how the yoke was killing me. He thankfully agreed and we looked online and quickly realised it was a cult. The witnesses now shun us and ignore us when we see them, which hurts as we were friends with them for 9 years, but it's the way some cults control people and they are told they are doing it out of love to entice us back in, which if you have other family members in the cult doing this to you it is an awful form of blackmail and very painful. Inreality it just stops their followers form speaking to ex JW's that know it's a cult. Thankfully none of our families had listened to us and believed.
So here we were desperate to find the truth and now thought that God had delivered us from this cult and we still believed the Bible. Needless to say we ended up in a church but only once!! We gave ourselves to Jesus in prayer, even before we went to church. But God still didn't answer my prayers and they were only, please let a real christian find me when I go into town and please let my husband get a sale at work so he can have some relief from his stress of coming out of a cult and enjoy his first birthday that he hasn't celebrated in 9 years. Surely with my faith these would be answered. After all doesn't the bible claim if you have the faith a size of a mustard seed you can move a mountain?
I had by this time read the Bible through and the none witness NIV bible taught Hell. Both the JW bible and the NIV also teach that men would dominate woman due to sin, and then God helped this situation, I say this full of sarcasm, by making a woman under the mosaic law twice as unclean if she gave birth to a baby girl than if it was a boy, allowing men to have multiple wives and that they buy them from their Fathers, but if a girl wasn't a virgin when she was first married she'd be stoned to death. Only men wrote the bible and we were to be submissive wives. Also stupid rules like if a bull gores a person it is to be stoned to death, can you imagine how awful that would be!!! The mosaic law is very much like the Isis we see today. And Jesus said he didn't come to take away one word from any of this but came to fulfil it. I then thought about the great tribulation. So God is going to torture people for 7 years by pouring out his 7 bowls of wrath until they accept him, and if they don't they go to hell. Why not poor out 7 bowls of love and healing? Surely that would work better.
Also if Christians have gods spirit talking to them, why can't they agree on pre or post trib rapture?
Needless to say that I soon realised that Christianity is just an old cult controlling people by fear. Islam is the cult of Mohammed, Judaism is the cult of Moses and Christianity is the cult of Jesus.
I reason like this, that if I saw a woman being raped and did nothing I would feel awful and like I had sinned but The All Powerful God sees this all the time and does nothing. I spend my time beating myself up for the sins I commit but God commits the biggest sin, he has the power to stop all of this and chooses not to.
So I am now exhausted with religion and God and am going to live my life with out fear as best I can.
Lots of love to all of you free people x
Well, I will start at the beginning, as it's a good place to start.
I was a very deep thinking, shy and painfully insecure child. I remember from a very young age wondering what life was about? Why am I here? My parents were and still are evolutionists. This was hard for me to accept, what there's no point to life we just die and that's it? Surely not? There had to be more.
So began my search. When I was 18 I met a lovely Muslim man called Riz, he was the first person I had met who really had a strong religious belief, so I read the Quran, I read it about 5 times. It was very scary, very detailed descriptions of hell, where skin is burnt off and replaced for eternity. I was very frighted by this. I cried when I read at sura 4:34 which says a man could beat his wife if she disobeyed him. None the less there were things that made me believe it, their stance on alcohol as I could see all the trouble it caused, their modesty, I hated how woman objectified themselves in porn, strip clubs and films. It mentioned the birds flying in formation and how God had taught them to do this. This made sense to me. Eventually I met his parents, who were very opposed to me, in fact when I first went to there house the Dad was very surprised that I didn't go and help his wife cook the meal instead I stayed and watched cricket with the men. Then when the doorbell rang, they rushed me into the garden and hid me like I was a dirty little white non muslim. I was very angry at Riz for allowing them to do this to me and we eventually broke up. I came away thinking that if Allah is God then I have to disagree with him even if I end up in Hell, i just couldn't accept a God that would torture people in Hell.
I moved back home and met Anthony who is my husband. He was very involved in the partying scene and I soon joined him. I tried drugs thinking maybe they would make me happy, open my mind, but they didn't. It was a false, short lived joy that left me feeling awful afterwards.
Anthony and I moved in together and started a family. My depression escalated I couldn't stand the suffering in the world, what world had I brought these children into? I broke down in tears, I cried out to God, "I don't know if you exist, but if you do please let me know and please explain why there's so much suffering?". Not long after Jehovahs witnesses knocked on our door. They were decent people, they explained they didn't believe in Hell like the rest of Christianity, that it was just an illustration for eternal death. They gave me a tract entitled, 'All suffering soon to end'. They reasoned with me on evolution, how did an eye know how to be an eye? I cried, there was a God, he was going to do something, he did care and he wanted me. My husband joined the bible study they conducted and we were both soon were baptised. We stopped celebrating all the pagan religious celebrations and lived a life of slavery to an organisation called the Watchtower. As well as my husband working and me caring for our 4 children we had to go to meetings twice a week, door knocking at least once a week to try to bring people in to a relationship with God, conduct a Family study with our children once a week and all the other nights pre studying for the meetings in which we were expected to answer. Basically we had very little free time and that which we did have, we felt guilty for. The leaders of this cult were called The Governing Body and claimed to be the faithful slave that Jesus said would feed his domestics. They claimed they were Gods channel to mankind and we were heavily indoctrinated into believing this.
Eventually things began to unravel. They judged my husband who with his stressful job, wasn't doing enough hours knocking on doors. They took him off the what they viewed as a privilege, holding the microphones in Kingdom hall (church). I cried, it was so unlike the story of the widows might. She gave all she could and God excepted it. My husband gave all he could and it was as if they had thrown those coins of little value back in his face. Then I thought of Jesus' words, that his yoke was easy and light. This way of life was anything but easy and light, I couldn't cope anymore. I remember thinking that if I was to call on my neighbour who has 7 children and she became a JW, she'd have a mental brake down. I only had 4 kids and taking then to 1hr 45min long meetings, which they had to sit through, bored out of there brains twice a week as well as knocking on doors at the weekend was so hard that I wasn't coping, how could she? The JW's judge the world, they are the only ones that will survive armageddon everyone else if they didn't accept them as the truth would die, unless they hadn't heard the message and God read their hearts as good. I cried out to God again, "If this is the truth then help me do this, but if not please let me know".
I went to my husband and told him I couldn't do this anymore, I explained how judging they were and they were!!! They judged what you wore, if a man had facial hair, they thought this was hippy like, how many hours door knocking you did, if you answered up at meetings etc etc. I explained how the yoke was killing me. He thankfully agreed and we looked online and quickly realised it was a cult. The witnesses now shun us and ignore us when we see them, which hurts as we were friends with them for 9 years, but it's the way some cults control people and they are told they are doing it out of love to entice us back in, which if you have other family members in the cult doing this to you it is an awful form of blackmail and very painful. Inreality it just stops their followers form speaking to ex JW's that know it's a cult. Thankfully none of our families had listened to us and believed.
So here we were desperate to find the truth and now thought that God had delivered us from this cult and we still believed the Bible. Needless to say we ended up in a church but only once!! We gave ourselves to Jesus in prayer, even before we went to church. But God still didn't answer my prayers and they were only, please let a real christian find me when I go into town and please let my husband get a sale at work so he can have some relief from his stress of coming out of a cult and enjoy his first birthday that he hasn't celebrated in 9 years. Surely with my faith these would be answered. After all doesn't the bible claim if you have the faith a size of a mustard seed you can move a mountain?
I had by this time read the Bible through and the none witness NIV bible taught Hell. Both the JW bible and the NIV also teach that men would dominate woman due to sin, and then God helped this situation, I say this full of sarcasm, by making a woman under the mosaic law twice as unclean if she gave birth to a baby girl than if it was a boy, allowing men to have multiple wives and that they buy them from their Fathers, but if a girl wasn't a virgin when she was first married she'd be stoned to death. Only men wrote the bible and we were to be submissive wives. Also stupid rules like if a bull gores a person it is to be stoned to death, can you imagine how awful that would be!!! The mosaic law is very much like the Isis we see today. And Jesus said he didn't come to take away one word from any of this but came to fulfil it. I then thought about the great tribulation. So God is going to torture people for 7 years by pouring out his 7 bowls of wrath until they accept him, and if they don't they go to hell. Why not poor out 7 bowls of love and healing? Surely that would work better.
Also if Christians have gods spirit talking to them, why can't they agree on pre or post trib rapture?
Needless to say that I soon realised that Christianity is just an old cult controlling people by fear. Islam is the cult of Mohammed, Judaism is the cult of Moses and Christianity is the cult of Jesus.
I reason like this, that if I saw a woman being raped and did nothing I would feel awful and like I had sinned but The All Powerful God sees this all the time and does nothing. I spend my time beating myself up for the sins I commit but God commits the biggest sin, he has the power to stop all of this and chooses not to.
So I am now exhausted with religion and God and am going to live my life with out fear as best I can.
Lots of love to all of you free people x
Confession of a Writer and an Atheist
By Ben Love ~
The thing about writers is that we both love and hate our vulnerability. On the one hand, we have to put ourselves out there, because, well, that is what a writer does. On the other hand, we are terrified of putting ourselves out there, because, well, the world in general just doesn’t care. Most people are so wrapped up in their own lives that they have little time or patience for those who come along and start sharing their innermost secrets. It makes people uncomfortable. And more often than not, the vulnerability of us writers (and all artists, really) gets trodden under the feet of the masses as they run away from our stark honesty.
The thing about writers is that we both love and hate our vulnerability. On the one hand, we have to put ourselves out there, because, well, that is what a writer does. On the other hand, we are terrified of putting ourselves out there, because, well, the world in general just doesn’t care. Most people are so wrapped up in their own lives that they have little time or patience for those who come along and start sharing their innermost secrets. It makes people uncomfortable. And more often than not, the vulnerability of us writers (and all artists, really) gets trodden under the feet of the masses as they run away from our stark honesty.
The thing about atheists is that we became atheists for a reason. And that reason was probably the result of intense inner struggles endured over a period of years as we wrestled with the incongruences of our religion. By the time our deconversion was complete and we were planted firmly in the meadow called “atheism” or “disbelief,” we likely had to undergo the onslaught of naysayers, most of them Christians, many of them with good intentions, who combatted our exit from that “greatest religion” with pleas and threats and manipulation and reverse psychology and appeals to fear. Thus, many of us atheists, by the time we’re secure in our atheism, become more vocal as atheists than we were as Christians. This is due mostly to the fact that we had to arm ourselves with defensive information as our deconversion process unfolded. And once you have that kind of information, well, you want to share it.
So when there is someone like me, a writer by nature and an atheist by passionate choice, things get said that some might find a bit too forward or, dare I say, offensive. The thing is, I just don’t care. I mean, I do care, in that I regret causing distress to any human being, regardless of his or her creed. But I don’t care in the sense that sometimes in life things just need to be said, no matter how harsh they might come across. Some stories just need to be told. And that is that.
I recently published a book detailing my experiences with Christianity and the process I underwent, both inside and out, as I made my slow exit from the religion and embraced atheism. It’s too early to track the sales, but I can comment on the responses my book’s publication has already incited. I have received messages from all over the spectrum, ranging from pure praise and support to pure hatred and ostracization. But on the whole, the general response seems to indicate that my book is perceived as some kind of threat. One man went so far as to say the following: “I have no intentions of reading your moronic book because I know ahead of time that it will be nothing but the most fallacious assortment of liberal, atheist bullshit common among deviants like you.” This statement tells me a lot, but what it says most to me is that we live in a culture where fear of the unknown continues to govern the masses, a culture where people will viciously lash out at a neighbor simply because that neighbor might threaten their worldview.
And yet, there will be those who accuse me of the same behavior. My book will be seen as an attack on believers. While, on the surface, this might seem to be accurate, I assure you it is not. Digging under the surface of my book will no doubt demonstrate to the skilled observer that I am attacking a belief, not the believer. This might seem like the splitting of hairs, and perhaps it is, but one thing I do know is that my own heart on the matter gives me a clear conscience. I know the reasons I sat down to pen this book, and I know the passion that drove me on as I wrote it. And even now, as I begin the marketing process (a tedious and often fruitless labor), I know the reasons that continue to motivate me. Sure, I’d like to earn a little bit of money. Writing a book is no easy feat, and self-publishing one (which I did) is akin to sawing off one’s foot. Reasonable compensation for time and energy is not too much to ask. But the real reason I do what I do, the real reason I will drive myself over the edge to make sure my book is read, is to spread my message as far as it can possibly go under my own power. My deepest desire is to provide an aid for those who are going through the same grueling deconversion process I went through. I long to know that my story will mirror the stories of others, and that my vulnerability will become an ally to them as they begin the arduous task of untethering themselves from Christianity and finding true freedom on the other side. It’s not easy. No one ever said it would be. But the freedom of disbelief and the mental health that comes with it are prizes worth seeking. And if I can help, even in some small way, as others seek those prizes, then I can go to sleep at night feeling like I know my place in this world. That is why I wrote my book. And that is why I hope you will read it.
The book is called Portrait of an Infidel: The Acerbic Account of How a Passionate Christian Became an Ardent Atheist.
My website: http://michaelvitotosto.weebly.com/
You Can't Please Everyone
By Carl S ~
Don't even try. You have no idea how many testimonies I've read from individuals who worry what will happen if they come out as atheist or simply as not believing anymore. There are the usual references to parents, grandparents, and friends in a church who will be hurt or angry with the decision. "Coming out" is common today. Maybe you remember when all gays were in the closet, but being gay is now acceptable. Celebrities waited until they had a fan base and made their millions before coming out. Most of us don’t have that option. No matter what you decide, someone is bound to be displeased. What about your own unease? Repressing your harmless needs, conscience, intelligence and emotions, is not healthy for you psychologically or physically. You can reach the point of exploding or imploding from the pressure. Then nobody’s happy.
Trying to please others can sometimes be a bitch. There will always be some people telling you how to manage your life, what decisions you should make, and what they would do if they were in your shoes. Their advice can be useful, or not. You may displease them if you don't decide as they want you to. That could cause problems. But, if you find yourself in a situation where just about no one agrees with you, and tells you outright you're wrong, you might begin to question your own judgement. You're not alone. So, while you displease many, others are equally pleased. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, you can please some people some of the time, but not all people all of the time.
Since my wife is good friends with another church member, I hear them repeat a lot of comments from the congregants, some of them about what God wants, is doing in for their lives, and activity that must be due to his intervention. It's trite stuff to me, even good for laughs. I have to ask myself: Just what do they mean by "God?" It seems this concept is like Plastic Man, very malleable. Their God is like a candy that changes so that it becomes whatever flavor you desire, whenever you desire, even as you're chewing it! Is this the god they're talking about? Looks that way. (Of course, if you go to the church just down the street from this one...)
What about this God billions of believers are trying to please and avoid displeasing? He's said to be a “jealous" god. Can this mean he's jealous of himself? There are many "Gods" in this world. If you please the Christian God, you displease the Jewish God, the Moslem God, the Mormon and Vatican God, et al - and vice versa. Depending on which sect one finds oneself in, pleasing and displeasing God is a kaleidoscope of its individual rules and beliefs. By coming out, you reject all Gods. You don't please or displease Gods that don't exist.
When I started taking an objective look at the gospels, for the reasons why Jesus was crucified, one thing stood out: he was killed because he pissed off the authorities. It didn't help that he went around mocking the authority and morals of the Scribes and Pharisees. That alone could get you murdered. Nope. They used the system for revenge, by having him executed as a threat to the Romans. But amongst them, the real reason was that Jesus was a heretic and blasphemer. (No big deal to the Romans, who would have taken those charges with a grain of salt.) Then, when the Christians gained power, they got pissed off when anybody denied the fabricated divinity of Jesus, so they killed off their own alleged blaspheming dissenters.
Gospel Jesus is very displeased - with his disciples, his mother and brothers, with the rich man, the Samaritan woman who eventually begged, as she said, like a dog, for the crumbs that fell from his miraculous healing table, and anyone else he had no trouble humiliating. He was so displeased with his own Jewish people that he let them be slaughtered in Jerusalem. That wasn't enough. He allowed them to be persecuted for centuries for being "Christ killers.“ Now that's pissed-of! So be warned: don't displease Jesus. Sure, he says he's forgiving, but that only goes so far. Read the gospels for yourself. He’ll send you to the torture chambers forever if you make him angry enough, and you don't know when or where that'll happen. He's the same harsh judge, yesterday, today, the same forever. The mad queen of “Alice in Wonderland" can't hold a candle to him.
One of the greatest contributions of the Enlightenment was the questioning of authority. It became clear that "heresies" were differences of opinion, and that religions themselves are opinions. One man's faith equals another man's heresy. And free speech constantly argues and keeps trying to drive that point home. It's no wonder theocracies are threatened by this simple fact. In the words of Queen Elizabeth I, “We are not amused." Her father, Henry VIII, as a Catholic, punished and executed Protestant heretics, and as a Protestant, did the same to Catholics. Pleasing him was a matter of survival, depending on whichever way his faith went at the moment.
The benefits of free speech include the freedom for individuals to claim to be divine, equal to a god, and to openly contradict the religious claims of some or all. Many religious authorities, and their faithful followers, are pissed off about this. In democracies, they prefer censorship, since they can't imprison or execute those who piss them off, like those other God's reps do in countries where they rule. No one there is immune from religion. You can bet Jesus would be executed in Islamic countries at this very minute - once again, for blasphemy. When it comes to displeasing God's representatives when they get control, the punishments are sure to follow; amen. No matter how societies progress, when God's agents grab control, the axe will fall on those who displease them.
Building new churches pleases the denomination heads, even when new buildings are redundant. Church members will put out hard earned money and time to "please God" by erecting a new place in which to praise him. (And speaking of praise: there's nothing that brings more praise from my wife's pastor than large gifts of money. And it is the most sincere.)
I suspect most men attend church just to please their wives or partners. There are few things more unpleasant, of the many they will do for love and/or sex. Men aren't generally interested in comfy-sweet faiths women hold dear, any more than they are in Harlequin romance novels or the heart-tugging Lifetime made-for-TV movies. Comments I've heard from men and their writings through the ages lead me to conclude most men know clergy are bullshitters.
In the U.S., political parties bend over backwards to please the Catholic church and the Evangelical Christian hierarchy. They want their votes. How many votes are there? Well, the Catholic church counts those who were baptized in that religion as Catholics, even if they have dropped Catholicism. This is like declaring a man is still a Communist or Nazi party member because he was at one time in his life. The government accepts the Church's membership declarations on faith. This lying has consequences. For example, even though my wife, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, and millions of others, have been baptized in the Catholic church, they abandoned it decades ago. Meanwhile, get this: they are also reported as current members of other Christian churches, by those other churches - at the same time. Instead of doubly voting, they represent two votes apiece, one as Catholic, the other as non-Catholic, even anti-Catholic! And those who run for election, and their parties, are trying to please all of them!
In the meantime, those who don't agree with any religions are ignored; nobody tries to please them. It reminds me of a line from a western movie: the bad guy says, "If anyone here has an objection to what I've said, let him speak up." The guy at the end of the table starts to say something, and the bad guy says, “Hey! Who asked you?" (It's just like Bill O'Reilly interviewing someone he disagrees with.)
It's the same old story. Throughout the histories of civilizations, it's power that dominates, and the populace has had to please the powers that be. When power is given to representatives of God or gods, they have to be pleased in every little facet of the lives around them, satisfied with obedience to them. The gods are bowed down to because there are no choices; to displease them brings misfortunes. Pleasing Jesus/God/Allah/Jehovah becomes the reason for human existence. Morality does not enter into this pleasing, for even abandonment of loved ones, genocide, and the murdering of friends and disagreers can please them. Right or wrong is interpreted solely as what pleases or displeases them.
Too bad if they're displeased, not amused, or if they're angry. Tough luck if pleasing any one of them displeases the others. What the hell good has it done humanity to kiss the asses of the god interpreters? Tough luck for them. Oh, too bad, boo hoo. They'll just have to accept that you can't please everyone.
Don't even try. You have no idea how many testimonies I've read from individuals who worry what will happen if they come out as atheist or simply as not believing anymore. There are the usual references to parents, grandparents, and friends in a church who will be hurt or angry with the decision. "Coming out" is common today. Maybe you remember when all gays were in the closet, but being gay is now acceptable. Celebrities waited until they had a fan base and made their millions before coming out. Most of us don’t have that option. No matter what you decide, someone is bound to be displeased. What about your own unease? Repressing your harmless needs, conscience, intelligence and emotions, is not healthy for you psychologically or physically. You can reach the point of exploding or imploding from the pressure. Then nobody’s happy.
Trying to please others can sometimes be a bitch. There will always be some people telling you how to manage your life, what decisions you should make, and what they would do if they were in your shoes. Their advice can be useful, or not. You may displease them if you don't decide as they want you to. That could cause problems. But, if you find yourself in a situation where just about no one agrees with you, and tells you outright you're wrong, you might begin to question your own judgement. You're not alone. So, while you displease many, others are equally pleased. To paraphrase Abraham Lincoln, you can please some people some of the time, but not all people all of the time.
Since my wife is good friends with another church member, I hear them repeat a lot of comments from the congregants, some of them about what God wants, is doing in for their lives, and activity that must be due to his intervention. It's trite stuff to me, even good for laughs. I have to ask myself: Just what do they mean by "God?" It seems this concept is like Plastic Man, very malleable. Their God is like a candy that changes so that it becomes whatever flavor you desire, whenever you desire, even as you're chewing it! Is this the god they're talking about? Looks that way. (Of course, if you go to the church just down the street from this one...)
What about this God billions of believers are trying to please and avoid displeasing? He's said to be a “jealous" god. Can this mean he's jealous of himself? There are many "Gods" in this world. If you please the Christian God, you displease the Jewish God, the Moslem God, the Mormon and Vatican God, et al - and vice versa. Depending on which sect one finds oneself in, pleasing and displeasing God is a kaleidoscope of its individual rules and beliefs. By coming out, you reject all Gods. You don't please or displease Gods that don't exist.
When I started taking an objective look at the gospels, for the reasons why Jesus was crucified, one thing stood out: he was killed because he pissed off the authorities. It didn't help that he went around mocking the authority and morals of the Scribes and Pharisees. That alone could get you murdered. Nope. They used the system for revenge, by having him executed as a threat to the Romans. But amongst them, the real reason was that Jesus was a heretic and blasphemer. (No big deal to the Romans, who would have taken those charges with a grain of salt.) Then, when the Christians gained power, they got pissed off when anybody denied the fabricated divinity of Jesus, so they killed off their own alleged blaspheming dissenters.
Gospel Jesus is very displeased - with his disciples, his mother and brothers, with the rich man, the Samaritan woman who eventually begged, as she said, like a dog, for the crumbs that fell from his miraculous healing table, and anyone else he had no trouble humiliating. He was so displeased with his own Jewish people that he let them be slaughtered in Jerusalem. That wasn't enough. He allowed them to be persecuted for centuries for being "Christ killers.“ Now that's pissed-of! So be warned: don't displease Jesus. Sure, he says he's forgiving, but that only goes so far. Read the gospels for yourself. He’ll send you to the torture chambers forever if you make him angry enough, and you don't know when or where that'll happen. He's the same harsh judge, yesterday, today, the same forever. The mad queen of “Alice in Wonderland" can't hold a candle to him.
One of the greatest contributions of the Enlightenment was the questioning of authority. It became clear that "heresies" were differences of opinion, and that religions themselves are opinions. One man's faith equals another man's heresy. And free speech constantly argues and keeps trying to drive that point home. It's no wonder theocracies are threatened by this simple fact. In the words of Queen Elizabeth I, “We are not amused." Her father, Henry VIII, as a Catholic, punished and executed Protestant heretics, and as a Protestant, did the same to Catholics. Pleasing him was a matter of survival, depending on whichever way his faith went at the moment.
The benefits of free speech include the freedom for individuals to claim to be divine, equal to a god, and to openly contradict the religious claims of some or all. Many religious authorities, and their faithful followers, are pissed off about this. In democracies, they prefer censorship, since they can't imprison or execute those who piss them off, like those other God's reps do in countries where they rule. No one there is immune from religion. You can bet Jesus would be executed in Islamic countries at this very minute - once again, for blasphemy. When it comes to displeasing God's representatives when they get control, the punishments are sure to follow; amen. No matter how societies progress, when God's agents grab control, the axe will fall on those who displease them.
Building new churches pleases the denomination heads, even when new buildings are redundant. Church members will put out hard earned money and time to "please God" by erecting a new place in which to praise him. (And speaking of praise: there's nothing that brings more praise from my wife's pastor than large gifts of money. And it is the most sincere.)
I suspect most men attend church just to please their wives or partners. There are few things more unpleasant, of the many they will do for love and/or sex. Men aren't generally interested in comfy-sweet faiths women hold dear, any more than they are in Harlequin romance novels or the heart-tugging Lifetime made-for-TV movies. Comments I've heard from men and their writings through the ages lead me to conclude most men know clergy are bullshitters.
In the U.S., political parties bend over backwards to please the Catholic church and the Evangelical Christian hierarchy. They want their votes. How many votes are there? Well, the Catholic church counts those who were baptized in that religion as Catholics, even if they have dropped Catholicism. This is like declaring a man is still a Communist or Nazi party member because he was at one time in his life. The government accepts the Church's membership declarations on faith. This lying has consequences. For example, even though my wife, brother-in-law, sister-in-law, and millions of others, have been baptized in the Catholic church, they abandoned it decades ago. Meanwhile, get this: they are also reported as current members of other Christian churches, by those other churches - at the same time. Instead of doubly voting, they represent two votes apiece, one as Catholic, the other as non-Catholic, even anti-Catholic! And those who run for election, and their parties, are trying to please all of them!
In the meantime, those who don't agree with any religions are ignored; nobody tries to please them. It reminds me of a line from a western movie: the bad guy says, "If anyone here has an objection to what I've said, let him speak up." The guy at the end of the table starts to say something, and the bad guy says, “Hey! Who asked you?" (It's just like Bill O'Reilly interviewing someone he disagrees with.)
It's the same old story. Throughout the histories of civilizations, it's power that dominates, and the populace has had to please the powers that be. When power is given to representatives of God or gods, they have to be pleased in every little facet of the lives around them, satisfied with obedience to them. The gods are bowed down to because there are no choices; to displease them brings misfortunes. Pleasing Jesus/God/Allah/Jehovah becomes the reason for human existence. Morality does not enter into this pleasing, for even abandonment of loved ones, genocide, and the murdering of friends and disagreers can please them. Right or wrong is interpreted solely as what pleases or displeases them.
Too bad if they're displeased, not amused, or if they're angry. Tough luck if pleasing any one of them displeases the others. What the hell good has it done humanity to kiss the asses of the god interpreters? Tough luck for them. Oh, too bad, boo hoo. They'll just have to accept that you can't please everyone.
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